Giuliani to archbishop: I'm rubber, you're glue...
Raymond Burke, the archbishop of St. Louis, said recently that, what with Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani's pro-choice position, he could deny the former New York mayor communion.
So how does Giuliani respond?
"Archbishops have a right to their opinion, you know," he said. "There's freedom of religion in this country. There's no estabished religion, and archbishops have a right to their opinion. Everybody has a right to their opinion.''
This goes to show you that people can be simultaneously technically correct and monumentally stupid.
Of course, there's freedom of religion. Of course, people are entitled to their opinion.
But once you pick a religion, there are rules and tenets and stuff. If you can't abide by them, you switch religions. Catholic teaching is pretty clear on the issue of abortion (and on the issues of adultery and divorce, come to think of it) and the archbishop, in exercising his freedom of religion and the dictates of his conscience and understsnding of church doctrine, is perfectly free to show Rudy the door if he steps up to the communion rail.
Someone should tell him he can't have his communion wafer and eat it, too.
So how does Giuliani respond?
"Archbishops have a right to their opinion, you know," he said. "There's freedom of religion in this country. There's no estabished religion, and archbishops have a right to their opinion. Everybody has a right to their opinion.''
This goes to show you that people can be simultaneously technically correct and monumentally stupid.
Of course, there's freedom of religion. Of course, people are entitled to their opinion.
But once you pick a religion, there are rules and tenets and stuff. If you can't abide by them, you switch religions. Catholic teaching is pretty clear on the issue of abortion (and on the issues of adultery and divorce, come to think of it) and the archbishop, in exercising his freedom of religion and the dictates of his conscience and understsnding of church doctrine, is perfectly free to show Rudy the door if he steps up to the communion rail.
Someone should tell him he can't have his communion wafer and eat it, too.
posted by Michael Riley at 9:19 AM
12 Comments:
As soon as he got divorced (twice now) he gave up his communion rites anyway so is a moot issue. His wife Judy has been married three times now, so neither are exactly catholic church poster couple.
Last time I looked there were a lot of so called Democrat hypocrites too. One guy is Ted Kennedy a Catholic and a pro abortionist and Nancy Pelosi, a Catholic and pro abortionist.Worshipers of Molech that sacrificed babies on a burning alter.
"i'm rubber, you're glue, in San Francisco they call boys Sue".
Bill and Hillary ain't exactly my idea of moral authorities either.
I' not sure of Rev. Riley's position here. Is he saying that the Roman Catholic Church should exclude Mr. Guiliani (and others similarly situated)?
I recall an Augustinian monk who once had similar issues. If one says that the Roman Catholic Church should excommunicate Mr. Guiliani, one must also say that the Roman Catholic Church was correct in excommunicating (and criminalizing, and seeking the death of) Martin Luther. [Ecumenical note: they had no use for the Wesleys either.]
I respectfully suggest that Rev. Riley consider the potential inconsistencies in his thoughts on these matters.
ok pat.
There's the old adage: there are consequences to your actions. If one is going to publicly call himself or herself Catholic, and then be pro abortion and pro-divorce and remarriage, then don't be surprised if you are not able to receive the sacrament of the Eucharist.
Anonymous said...
If one says that the Roman Catholic Church should excommunicate Mr. Guiliani, one must also say that the Roman Catholic Church was correct in excommunicating (and criminalizing, and seeking the death of) Martin Luther. [Ecumenical note: they had no use for the Wesleys either.]
Mr. Riley's comments had nothing to do with the church's infallibility, or even that they were right from a moral standpoint. He's just saying a church, like a club, can follow its own rules. You can't bring a girl to the "No Girls Club" and expect to be invited back. Same thing here.
Guiliani excommunicated himself years ago.
And yes, the Catholic Church was right to excommunicate Luther, if he first did not do so himself. And yes, they still have no use for the Wesleys. [Ecumenical note: Why would anyone leave the Church that Jesus Christ himself founded to join (for lack of a better word) a "church" founded by a mere man, a "church" utterly devoid of authority?]
This is not a way to foster unity...it's devisive and counterproductive.
I am more interested in the truth than unity for unity's sake.
kumbaya y'all
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